King of the town
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Hi all, firstly apologies is this is the wrong forum. It's my first time posting here as I have just come across the website while trying to find answers to a few questions that I have. I was even struggling to come up with a thread title as there are a few different aspects to the situation and we are struggling to get answers to different aspects. For clarity I'm based in Ireland
The situation is that a parcel of land has come up for sale approx 3 hectares. It's an ideal piece of land to buy as it links two blocks of land on the home farm which have always been split by the neighbours fields (the ones now for sale). So this is where things get a little complicated.
Currently the farm is all in my fathers name and the herd number is in his name only. I have not commenced farming but I have just completed the green cert so I would qualify as a young trained farmer. We are very interested in buying this land but want to structure it as best we can.
I'm under 35 so it make the most sense for me to buy it in my name as I can avail of the stamp duty relief thus saving a nice chunk of money. The simplest thing would then be to go under a joint herd number but this would prevent me from applying to the national reserve for entitlements on the parcel of land (the seller is not selling the entitlements and in any case Id rather get them for free rather than buy them) as our combined off farm income would be well in excess of the 40k limit. In fact my own income is in excess of this but in 2018 I took a few months off between jobs so nominating that year would scrape me under the limit so I could apply but only on my own.
So that means setting up my own herd number. So my questions are really around this. My thinking is to setup the heard number, get the minimum amount of stock in early spring put it on this parcel of land and carry it over the summer/early autumn and sell it on for winter as I wont have housing. I can then make a BPS application and apply to the national reserve to be allocated entitlements. Now I will be applying for the herd herd number from the same address as the current one is that an issue? We have a second old crush outside the main yard that hasn't been used in years but I was thinking I could say these are my handling facilities if ever challenged would this be sufficient or do I need to have facilities that I own? The reality is I would actually be using the modern facilities in the main yard but officially the old setup would be nominated for me? Any other pitfalls or potential issues I'm missing?
Now overall we don't have much interest in having separate herd numbers as its hassle not being officially allowed to have all stock having access to all of the farm and housing etc. Its really just to apply for the entitlement allocation so is there a process for scrapping the new herd number and moving the entitlements over my fathers current one and then we would go on a joint heard number? If there is how long would you need to wait before doing this and finally if all this did happen and we were in a joint herd number would we then be able to get the young farmer top up on all the existing entitlements or would the messy process prevent this?
Thanks and apologies for the long post but I'm struggling to get answers to many of these questions.
The situation is that a parcel of land has come up for sale approx 3 hectares. It's an ideal piece of land to buy as it links two blocks of land on the home farm which have always been split by the neighbours fields (the ones now for sale). So this is where things get a little complicated.
Currently the farm is all in my fathers name and the herd number is in his name only. I have not commenced farming but I have just completed the green cert so I would qualify as a young trained farmer. We are very interested in buying this land but want to structure it as best we can.
I'm under 35 so it make the most sense for me to buy it in my name as I can avail of the stamp duty relief thus saving a nice chunk of money. The simplest thing would then be to go under a joint herd number but this would prevent me from applying to the national reserve for entitlements on the parcel of land (the seller is not selling the entitlements and in any case Id rather get them for free rather than buy them) as our combined off farm income would be well in excess of the 40k limit. In fact my own income is in excess of this but in 2018 I took a few months off between jobs so nominating that year would scrape me under the limit so I could apply but only on my own.
So that means setting up my own herd number. So my questions are really around this. My thinking is to setup the heard number, get the minimum amount of stock in early spring put it on this parcel of land and carry it over the summer/early autumn and sell it on for winter as I wont have housing. I can then make a BPS application and apply to the national reserve to be allocated entitlements. Now I will be applying for the herd herd number from the same address as the current one is that an issue? We have a second old crush outside the main yard that hasn't been used in years but I was thinking I could say these are my handling facilities if ever challenged would this be sufficient or do I need to have facilities that I own? The reality is I would actually be using the modern facilities in the main yard but officially the old setup would be nominated for me? Any other pitfalls or potential issues I'm missing?
Now overall we don't have much interest in having separate herd numbers as its hassle not being officially allowed to have all stock having access to all of the farm and housing etc. Its really just to apply for the entitlement allocation so is there a process for scrapping the new herd number and moving the entitlements over my fathers current one and then we would go on a joint heard number? If there is how long would you need to wait before doing this and finally if all this did happen and we were in a joint herd number would we then be able to get the young farmer top up on all the existing entitlements or would the messy process prevent this?
Thanks and apologies for the long post but I'm struggling to get answers to many of these questions.
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