the journal this week

JohnBoy said:
it would achieve very little, but why not do it anyway. it's madness tying the SFP to ancient history I would agree that a sliding scale is probably more sensible than a flat cap. of course that sliding scale would involve a move to some area/production basis and away from the historical basis in the first place.
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flat sliding scale, for all acres or no SFP. Remember what is the easiest to administrate would be considered as there is 50% of the SFP budget to be blowing to keep lads in jobs in the Dept of Ag.

How about

€100 for first 50ac = 5000
€80 for next 50ac = 4000
€60 for next 50ac = 3000
€40 for everything up to 500= 14000

There would be allot of unhappy campers about:laugh:, lad farming 100ac would get 9k, lads with over 500ac would get 26k. Allot of farm businesses would be found to have there pants down if that came to pass. My rent would drop substantially and would probably be greater than the loss of the SFP.

Personally I really don't give a crap, Think by 2019 im going to be on €40 an acre, up for €25 starting out. :clap::clap:
 
You gotta love that Junker lad, last year he was was wobbling around shooting his mouth off about how Brexit was going to ruin the UK and now he's wobbling around demanding that the remaining 27 pay more into the kitty to fill the hole in the budget created by the loss of the UK's contribution, or else, we can only assume, the EU will be ruined!

Sounds like the EU is at last sobering up and realizing that Brexit is a problem all round, it's even thinking about passing power back to member states by letting then decide on an individual basis how to spend the CAP money, something of a climb down from the insistence on greater integration now that the beastly Brits are out of the loop.
 
nashmach said:
No doubt. The biggest issue I see currently is how much money will be there for the budget in total with the UK gone and who knows what will happen in other European countries, Germany effectively has no government currently.
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Some sort of murky light flickering in a dark tunnel at last with Agriland reporting that at least a 5-10% cut to CAP is on the cards, and that's assuming that member states stump up some more money to help fill the gap. An unlikely development as Holland, Denmark and Sweden are thinking more of a 30% reduction.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/cuts-of-5-10-on-the-way-for-cap-commissioner-oettinger/
 
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Toastfighter said:
Some sort of murky light flickering in a dark tunnel at last with Agriland reporting that at least a 5-10% cut to CAP is on the cards, and that's assuming that member states stump up some more money to help fill the gap. An unlikely development as Holland, Denmark and Sweden are thinking more of a 30% reduction.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/cuts-of-5-10-on-the-way-for-cap-commissioner-oettinger/
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I'd imagine the public attitude towards farming is pretty negative at the moment in Holland from an environmental viewpoint so an easy political sell to cut funding.

Ireland's biggest risk is France's view which with Macron is less pro farming in my view.
 
nashmach said:
I'd imagine the public attitude towards farming is pretty negative at the moment in Holland from an environmental viewpoint so an easy political sell to cut funding.

Ireland's biggest risk is France's view which with Macron is less pro farming in my view.
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The cracks in the EU over Brexit are starting to show and the BBC had the PM of Holland flagged up as a one of the moderates when it came kicking the UK about. Holding out for major cuts in CAP could be his way of underlining the fact that Europe has a problem too. Meanwhile, the French farmers have already taken to blocking roads over threats to cut subsidies, as they do.

The fat lady hasn't even taken the stage in the Brexit show.
 
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In between lambasting the UK for being vague over Brexit and decrying the negative effect the leaving of the customs union will have on the beef trade, the Journal quietly mentions that "the EU has conditionally offered to allow in 99,000t of Mercosur beef - if it's offered increased increased access for EU dairy product and cars." So, are beef farms to be threatened just to keep the German car industry busy?
 
European beef farmers are being offered on a platejust so those greedy german government and car manufacturers can get a few extra car sales. It's disgusting really.
 
Toastfighter said:
In between lambasting the UK for being vague over Brexit and decrying the negative effect the leaving of the customs union will have on the beef trade, the Journal quietly mentions that "the EU has conditionally offered to allow in 99,000t of Mercosur beef - if it's offered increased increased access for EU dairy product and cars." So, are beef farms to be threatened just to keep the German car industry busy?
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Ah sure the Journal won’t mind as long as there’s a bit of good dairy news in there..... the only show in town....

A lot of Teagasc isn’t any different.

A large portion of the Irish agricultural industry wouldn’t want to worry too much about the Journal, IFA or Teagasc.
 
CORK said:
Ah sure the Journal won’t mind as long as there’s a bit of good dairy news in there..... the only show in town....

A lot of Teagasc isn’t any different.

A large portion of the Irish agricultural industry wouldn’t want to worry too much about the Journal, IFA or Teagasc.
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You could also include the Dep of Agri. in that list.
 
Mid cork said:
You could also include the Dep of Agri. in that list.
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I should have mentioned that I have no problem whatsoever with dairy farmers.
It’s the cheerleaders and hangers on that bug the life out of me, especially when they piss all over other farming sectors and encourage dairy farmers to slave. These same cheerleaders are in safe 5 day a week jobs where they receive a salary, pension and 4 weeks holidays regardless of what happens on farms or to farmers and their families.

I’ve seen a few examples lately ;

I was at a bank event recently. The bank had invited people along, I’d wager that I was the only tillage farmer present. The rest of the crowd comprised solicitors, bank people and dairy farmers.
The minister for agriculture was being interviewed by a bank person/(I won’t state what I’d rather call the person).
The banker asked the minister if he would like to see more suckler and tillage farms convert to dairy.
To be fair to him, he didn’t take the bait, instead he pointed out that Irish Agriculture needs beef and tillage too as they are a vital part of the mix and create important exports. The bank person made me sick with their obvious hunger for dairy conversion and associated borrowing.

The Irish agri paper recently held an event for the great and good of Irish agriculture . In the opening address, the person highlighted how well dairying was going, little or no reference to the other sectors that are struggling in comparison.

At an Agri supply Industry event last week, The Irish agri advisory authority presented on dairying. The presenter was rightly pulled up on their relentless advice towards expansion, compact calving and slavery.

At a recent Teagasc tillage seminar, the chairman was the subject of multiple complaints after he basically insulted the audience and left them feeling like fools for being tillage farmers. The genuine Teagasc tillage advisors (who are numerous) must have been ashamed by his behaviour.
 
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CORK said:
I should have mentioned that I have no problem whatsoever with dairy farmers.
It’s the cheerleaders and hangers on that bug the life out of me, especially when they piss all over other farming sectors and encourage dairy farmers to slave. These same cheerleaders are in safe 5 day a week jobs where they receive a salary, pension and 4 weeks holidays regardless of what happens on farms or to farmers and their families.

I’ve seen a few examples lately ;

I was at a bank event recently. The bank had invited people along, I’d wager that I was the only tillage farmer present. The rest of the crowd comprised solicitors, bank people and dairy farmers.
The minister for agriculture was being interviewed by a bank person/(I won’t state what I’d rather call the person).
The banker asked the minister if he would like to see more suckler and tillage farms convert to dairy.
To be fair to him, he didn’t take the bait, instead he pointed out that Irish Agriculture needs beef and tillage too as they are a vital part of the mix and create important exports. The bank person made me sick with their obvious hunger for dairy conversion and associated borrowing.

The Irish agri paper recently held an event for the great and good of Irish agriculture . In the opening address, the person highlighted how well dairying was going, little or no reference to the other sectors that are struggling in comparison.

At an Agri supply Industry event last week, The Irish agri advisory authority presented on dairying. The presenter was rightly pulled up on their relentless advice towards expansion, compact calving and slavery.

At a recent Teagasc tillage seminar, the chairman was the subject of multiple complaints after he basically insulted the audience and left them feeling like fools for being tillage farmers.
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Ah yes, the banks. The very same banks that didn't push money down peoples throats during the boom, oh no, borrowers were holding a gun to the lenders heads demanding the money, apparently. And so it will be when the dairy boom goes.... well, boom! It will all be the farmers fault for twisting the bankers arms, so no sympathy will be due to them as their farms are repossessed. What was that about the Journal tweeting endlessly of the glory of rising land prices?
 
Toastfighter said:
The cracks in the EU over Brexit are starting to show and the BBC had the PM of Holland flagged up as a one of the moderates when it came kicking the UK about. Holding out for major cuts in CAP could be his way of underlining the fact that Europe has a problem too. Meanwhile, the French farmers have already taken to blocking roads over threats to cut subsidies, as they do.

The fat lady hasn't even taken the stage in the Brexit show.
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French farmers are striking (in their own special way) against cuts in disadvantaged area payments, and more widely, against Mercursor...
 
Blackwater boy said:
As I scroll through Twitter every second post of from the journal about the land price in each county last year, Jesus such a waste of time and effort, I Didint think they would have time to do it considering they gave the week digging out the parlour put down in KK.
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You surely know that's what sells papers!

I was in Easons on Thursday and there must have been five or six people reading that magazine....
 
nashmach said:
You surely know that's what sells papers!

I was in Easons on Thursday and there must have been five or six people reading that magazine....
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It's a pity tho that it has come to that to create the main revenue, between the land rental headline and now all the hype about this its a shame, neither are of any benefit whatsoever to farmers or even the whole Ag industry bar auctioneers, solicitors and people leasing or selling their land.
 
Blackwater boy said:
It's a pity tho that it has come to that to create the main revenue, between the land rental headline and now all the hype about this its a shame, neither are of any benefit whatsoever to farmers or even the whole Ag industry bar auctioneers, solicitors and people leasing or selling their land.
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Absolutely agree, after all the hassle this week it is far from land prices in 2017 that were worrying farmers in the past week and Emma should definitely have been the front page item in my view.
 
Blackwater boy said:
As I scroll through Twitter every second post of from the journal about the land price in each county last year, Jesus such a waste of time and effort, I Didint think they would have time to do it considering they gave the week digging out the parlour put down in KK.
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if they had stood dr jack in the parlour for 10 mins he,d have melted all the snow in kilkenny
 
Blackwater boy said:
It's a pity tho that it has come to that to create the main revenue, between the land rental headline and now all the hype about this its a shame, neither are of any benefit whatsoever to farmers or even the whole Ag industry bar auctioneers, solicitors and people leasing or selling their land.
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Property porn.
 
Would it not have been more in their line to have done an article on the possibility of a trade war now that Trump has imposed tariffs on the importation of steel and aluminium into the U.S. and from a snippet I heard on a news programme this morning he could impose more tariffs in the near future.
Surely these actions could have a big impact on Irish exports and as a lot of our exports are agricultural the farming community will be affected to some extent, especially the dairy industry?
I know it's only speculation but it might be something to give consideration to as even the Gods would hardly know what Trump could do or even what others would do in retaliation.
 
bagenal said:
Would it not have been more in their line to have done an article on the possibility of a trade war now that Trump has imposed tariffs on the importation of steel and aluminium into the U.S. and from a snippet I heard on a news programme this morning he could impose more tariffs in the near future.
Surely these actions could have a big impact on Irish exports and as a lot of our exports are agricultural the farming community will be affected to some extent, especially the dairy industry?
I know it's only speculation but it might be something to give consideration to as even the Gods would hardly know what Trump could do or even what others would do in retaliation.
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This is a clear illustration of news management rather than news coverage. There is a huge amount going on in the world and we have only the faculties to comprehend a tiny fraction of it, so it will need to be filtered in some way to ensure we get to hear the most significant or most relevant. We rely on what is called the national press for the significant items while more specialised publications such as the Journal should pick out what is relevant. This is the ideal situation, but the world is far from ideal and there will always be the the temptation to promote certain items in hope that a greater profit may be made, and to further increase that profit there is the opportunity for 'news' to be generated. Property is certainly one area where hype pays, and we see it throughout the press.
 
nashmach said:
No doubt. The biggest issue I see currently is how much money will be there for the budget in total with the UK gone and who knows what will happen in other European countries, Germany effectively has no government currently.
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Italy can be added to the list of countries without a properly functioning government as well I see. So that's two of the big hitters in the EU who appear to be rudderless while a third can now be safely ignored.
 
Toastfighter said:
Italy can be added to the list of countries without a properly functioning government as well I see. So that's two of the big hitters in the EU who appear to be rudderless while a third can now be safely ignored.
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Probably can add Spain to the list as well given their own internal issues.
 
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