Well on 1 hand, best case scenario, we need more stock to make same profit, but on the other, the higher powers telling us to cut back. And the meantime more dairystock coming on stream..where s the solution?
Good for you. I have no problem losing money on an animal, as long as the average return across a bunch leaves a healthy margin. Continental or dairy bred, I'm not confident that this is possible at 3.50/kg.
We finish a few hundred, mainly continentals every year and I do sums on each and every one of them if you must know. The fact is when you're competing ringside with someone who doesn't care about making money, QPS and QAS become irrelevant as they are swallowed up by the inflated purchase price.
The concept of suckler farming is total madness when you think about it. To keep a cow weighing weighing maybe 700kg for a whole year just to get a calf from her couldn’t make sense. The stocking rate alone of most suckler farmers means that they could never ever make the kind of money they would need to be a very profitable business
The suckler herd will be cut, and probably by the 500k cows that was mentioned a couple of weeks ago, the losses which will get bigger and bigger as prices fall will see to that
Not that there is much money at any beef system but sucklers is defiantly the most inefficient
Are you making profit at current prices, you might throw up a few figures to show the rest of us where we are going wrong........... theres a big gap between profit and making a living.The first day I fail to make a profit on a bullock is the day I'll quit..
Didn't say "a living"Are you making profit at current prices, you might throw up a few figures to show the rest of us where we are going wrong........... theres a big gap between profit and making a living.
What proof have you for this ,if it costs €600 to produce this calf (annual cost to keep sucker cow )you are all ready 600 behind the price of a dropped dairy bred calf.What needs to be done is a comprehensive beef breeding plan implemented on dairy farms .If the current suckler men get a proper beef calf to rare maybe this could be the future.There are too many cattle in this country ,culling dairy calves is a complete no no so what other choices are there but a big cull of suckler cows .It is mad the way dairy farms are still expanding but the powers that be find this acceptable.Imagine it only about 20% of farming land in the country taking up with dairying and this is mostly intensive. Surely a suckler to weanling man would be as well off rearing dairy bred beef if he got the proper calf to work with .This is my viewpoint as a dairy man who sells good quality wh and angus calvesThe net feed efficiency of dairy stock can be up to half that of the best suckler cattle. That does not lend itself to making a living/profit. Discuss
Friesian bull calves should be outlawed. There is no need for them with sexed semen. And the processors will find more homes for O + and upward grades. We can still have a productive beef sector with thousands of jobs for the country
you are all ready 600 behind the price of a dropped dairy bred calf
Surely blocking the central distribution centers for a week would do the jobI've been chatting to a few folks and we've sort of arrived at a conclusion. We need the hauliers on our side. Farmers feed the world and trucks distribute that food around the world. Curtail the deliveries to the retailers for a few days and create a bit of alarm amongst Joe public and show that without farmers this will be a reality. Persuading the hauliers to align with us is another issue though. If a few of the big players could somehow be persuaded to join up it would add massive weight to the protests. The mere threat of the trucks stopping moving for a few days might just get the powers that be up off their arses and taking a place at the table to hammer out a sustainable plan for all parties going forward. The food chain is rotten atm and the fat cats at the top couldn't care less about the people on the ground. A bit of a shake up of the establishment is needed.
Without sounding too negative the odds of getting a significant group of hauliers to stand alongside farmers is practically nil. That is the most cut throat business going, if a big player stood with the farmers there would be 10 scavengers in the ears of the factories to take over their work. They wouldn’t stand together let alone support another industry.I've been chatting to a few folks and we've sort of arrived at a conclusion. We need the hauliers on our side. Farmers feed the world and trucks distribute that food around the world. Curtail the deliveries to the retailers for a few days and create a bit of alarm amongst Joe public and show that without farmers this will be a reality. Persuading the hauliers to align with us is another issue though. If a few of the big players could somehow be persuaded to join up it would add massive weight to the protests. The mere threat of the trucks stopping moving for a few days might just get the powers that be up off their arses and taking a place at the table to hammer out a sustainable plan for all parties going forward. The food chain is rotten atm and the fat cats at the top couldn't care less about the people on the ground. A bit of a shake up of the establishment is needed.
I know that but give us an idea of what you consider sufficient profit to stay in the game, some figures @patk .
Anything over cost plus expenses is profit.Whether you consider that adequate or not depends on you.I know that but give us an idea of what you consider sufficient profit to stay in the game, some figures @patk .
Anything over cost plus expenses is profit.Whether you consider that adequate or not depends on you.
I know a lad who was standing at a picket in the morning, went home and delivered in a load and was back on a different picket after dinner, when there’s lads like that how would you expect hauliers to join the campaign.Lads forget about blocking anywhere for the time being ,a share of beef farmers did not even support the factory blockade last week .Miserable fukers made up every excuse for the blockade to fail
When I made the simple observation earlier I didn't expect to be interrogated!That's still not answering the question asked...