I used it here 2 years ago. If I was given it for free I wouldn't use it again.Any 1 have any advice on pros and cons of using shine once a day milk replacer for calves ?
I used it here 2 years ago. If I was given it for free I wouldn't use it again.
That product or OAD feeding? I have never used shine but I always was "told" it was the bees knees
I used it here 2 years ago. If I was given it for free I wouldn't use it again.
I have to apologise and retract that, its 20% Protein, which is slightly better than really bad.Really that's something u would rearly hear about shine oad...why is the protein so low
I have to apologise and retract that, its 20% Protein, which is slightly better than really bad.
When we decided (with help from an independent nutritionalist) that the powder was the route of our problem, we changed to Volac easimix and straight away the calves had more solid dungs, they started to eat more concentrate, and coughing stopped. After a few days we had no more scours (which had been a major problem) and they started to thrive much better. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to talk to an independent nutritionalist. The one we employed wouldn't tell us which powders to use/not use, but was exceptionally good at educating us on deciding what to use.
Most milk replaces are around 20/20 protein to fat ratio, some might be 24/18 blah blah whatever.Would i be right in saying that it is hard to beat whole milk twice a day ?
well if you put a calf on an adlib feeder or feed three times a day it you have a far superior calf!!!Would i be right in saying that it is hard to beat whole milk twice a day ?
Ah no, at 125 grams per litre of powder and feeding 6 litres that’s 160 litres of milk per bag so that’s € .25 cent per litre or €1.50 per day.Plus might I add if we had bloody sense and fed calves whole milk we'd put less milk on the market and improve milk prices. A fresh cow producing 24 litres at 25c makes 6 euro of milk, same cow making 24 litres at 30c but feeding 6 litres per day to her calf returns 5.40 euro.
It cost only 60c a day to feed the calf. Whereas if a 20kg bag of powder is 40euro it costs 2.40 euro a day to feed 6 litres, so your cow only really returns 3.60 euro.
Absolute madness.
But at 125 grams at 20/20 Its a bit better than half as much solids as a litre of whole milk. So it takes twice as much feed to feed the same as whole milk.Ah no, at 125 grams per litre of powder and feeding 6 litres that’s 160 litres of milk per bag so that’s € .25 cent per litre or €1.50 per day.
750 grams of powder but I would be feeding 23/25% protein stuff tho.But at 125 grams at 20/20 Its a bit better than half as much solids as a litre of whole milk. So it takes twice as much feed to feed the same as whole milk.
Unless you have vastly stronger strength milk powder.
At 25% protein and 20% fat you're feeding 335g of solids.750 grams of powder but I would be feeding 23/25% protein stuff tho.
At 25% protein and 20% fat you're feeding 335g of solids.
6 litres of whole milk at 4%fat and 3.5%pro is 450g of solids
That's 34% difference.
If you're current cost is €1.50, to meet whole milk itll cost €2.
Buts it's not 35c in the spring when you feed calves it always drops from over supply and it's made into powder.6x.35 is e2.10. U also have to factor in the oad option its it safe to give calves 6lts oad of whole milk. As well as that calves on powder develop the rumen quicker eat meal soon and can be weaned faster so theres a saving there. You can't say powder isn't a patch on whole milk. Theres some serious beef lads out there rearing calves and getting savage weights on them under 16 months etc. The more weight they have the more money a dairy heifer has 10 plus yrs to make her weight
there is also trial data that proves cattle on bare slats do as well as cattle on straw, trials find a result to suit whoever is paying for themIs there not trial data to prove powder milk is every bit as good as whole milk once a calf is 10 days old or more.
Saw a data of such a trial they gave 600kg bulls 2 square metres of space in both slatted and straw bedded groups.there is also trial data that proves cattle on bare slats do as well as cattle on straw, trials find a result to suit whoever is paying for them
if you don,t put fresh straw under them they,ll be dirtier :Whistle2:Saw a data of such a trial they gave 600kg bulls 2 square metres of space in both slatted and straw bedded groups.
They reckoned group on straw was dirtier, I wonder why that would be??