scoffcruddle
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Tail tape + tape round leg+ stop on milk meter:001_smile:
Dump/Diversion line.
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Tail tape + tape round leg+ stop on milk meter:001_smile:
Like to use spray paint myself,red spray if she is is to be held and sprayed over with blue when she is ok, although i have a can luminous green spray for black cows
Martin A
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scoffcruddle
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....Just to be sure like!
Aye
Relief milked for a chap who tied a red ribbon on the tail,worked well.
TMKF
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no need to pull rope in the dairymaster one
Yea same here I've never had to pull any ropes. Are the ropes long enough?
Also should cows be kicking clusters off so often than it's actually a measurable waste of time? Apart from when the heifers are being trained, it might happen once every 4 milkings here
Also why is there no one in the parlour to notice the cows kicking it off, it would be fairly violent? Also if the cows kick them off with the dairymaster yokes you just press resume so it doesn't start all over again just from when it was kicked off
This but blue for any cows that has a spin not being milked for whatever reason
bruceythom
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Yea same here I've never had to pull any ropes. Are the ropes long enough?
Also should cows be kicking clusters off so often than it's actually a measurable waste of time? Apart from when the heifers are being trained, it might happen once every 4 milkings here
Also why is there no one in the parlour to notice the cows kicking it off, it would be fairly violent? Also if the cows kick them off with the dairymaster yokes you just press resume so it doesn't start all over again just from when it was kicked off
This but blue for any cows that has a spin not being milked for whatever reason
I have been waiting patiently for someone to make those points!! I honestly cant see how an ACR could add time to a milking!
For marking here, procedure is cow taken away from calf, biestings into dump bucket (milk churn with lid), tail clipped as tight as possible, the day she's allowed to tank is spray painted on back of udder (M for Monday TU for Tuesday and so on) and then she's given a white fluke dose which works in with the day.shes allowed into tank. Havent held any milk since April here, cell count been running between 60 and 120 all year except one test at 250. But if I had a case of mastitis it'd be a big X on the back of her udder, and Id be using the dump bucket for.her to save washing out a line. Dump line does come in handy for getting milk to calves from "suitable" cows, these ladies get insulating tape around their tail, its amazing how long it stays too, have tape on a cows tail here that was put on in March!!!
jcb411abuser
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Yea same here I've never had to pull any ropes. Are the ropes long enough?
Also should cows be kicking clusters off so often than it's actually a measurable waste of time? Apart from when the heifers are being trained, it might happen once every 4 milkings here
Also why is there no one in the parlour to notice the cows kicking it off, it would be fairly violent? Also if the cows kick them off with the dairymaster yokes you just press resume so it doesn't start all over again just from when it was kicked off
This but blue for any cows that has a spin not being milked for whatever reason
here cows would kick it off alot, you get certain cows that will do it every milking, our ACR's at home are quite old, they are the type that have the little spring loaded seal at the bottom of the unit, so when the rope pulls on it it releases the vacuum so the unit comes off and if a cow touches the rope at all
other ACR's i worked in a diffrerent parlour most weren't working, so you didn't know which were taking cows off properly and which weren't, the swing over i worked in with them in had new ACR's in, just found them very awkward, ropes and pipes all over the place tangling in each other, takes time sorting all that out, plus when you are changing sides on a swing over without ACR's the unit is in the correct position to put it on the next cow, so you literally just grab it and put it on the next one, ACR's ye have to start turning them round, untwisting them, it just takes longer. the more cows ye have the bigger the difference it makes.
bruceythom
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ACRs working perfect here, no pulling ropes or untangeling. Swing arm pushed over from one side to the other and lines up perfectly with the cow, lift the cluster and the vacuum starts automatically. Id be putting the machines on the last 4 units while the previous lot are exiting the parlour so Im not waiting on cows to walk out.
Larry David
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What the consensus on when you need ACRs, the local idea is anything over 12 units, I think that is too low.
jcb411abuser
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i'm managing fine for most of the year in a 20 point on my own.
Mf240
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Any cow that does that here ends up on a meat hook
jcb411abuser
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TMKF
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not enough meat on our cows to hook to
But sure breeding from wicked cows will hardly help...also aren't you crossbreeding to animals not exactly know for good temperament?
Also JCB have you checked for stray current? No cow should be that bad
Do you have a picture of these ACR, I'm having trouble imagining them
bruceythom
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And you have ACRs!!
There's a write up in the journal about a seminar that was in Gurteen a few weeks ago, I was at it and an English vet there specialising in cell count said 12 and up units, you need ACRs in order to have time to give enough attention to cows. Id be inclined to agree. In a 12 unit here and for the first 3 months of lactation, the ACRs are vital, youd manage after that until September alright but the ACRs speed up the process.
Theres a guy near me put in a 24 unit boasting how he was going to manage on his own, theres two milking in it now and high sccs have been rumoured!
IMO, the whole milking process damages the teats creating miniscual cracks and wrinkles which lend to high SCCs, the less time the machine needs to be on a cows teat, the better. The machine is damaging the cows teat and unnecessarily wearing the liner when the cow is finished milking and the machine is still on her.
So Id say to anyone putting in a machine to be operated on their own, <12 not really necessary, 12-14 units advisable, >14 necessary.
jcb411abuser
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not in the 2, 20 point swing over parlours, i work in morn and evening. i milk for our selves at home one milking at night(might do one at midday sometimes too), and do 2 milkings for neighbouring farmers in morn and evening/afternoon, bita cash for myself like.
bruceythom
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Maybe, but your neighbours will sign you into a psychiatric unit!!
Ah I think it'd be easier to get into a flow of milking with all the same. We all have our own "routine". Might be less confusing for the cows if all the units were the same.......they are female afterall!!!
Martin A
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It is said that cows are creatures of habit. They perform best when the same thing happens at the same time every day. if there are a couple of different people milking the cows on a regular basis then ACR's would probably be a good idea.
kverneland es 80
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2 plants here 14 unit jar plant no acrs, works fine used during the winter .24 unit auto id plant with acrs and backing gate one milking goes fine too,to be fair acrs should be standard from 16 units up
311
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here cows would kick it off alot, you get certain cows that will do it every milking, our ACR's at home are quite old, they are the type that have the little spring loaded seal at the bottom of the unit, so when the rope pulls on it it releases the vacuum so the unit comes off and if a cow touches the rope at all
The parlour at college had these acrs fitted, I understand what you mean, but thats a fault with one type not ACR's in general.
If you have a reasonable number of cows kicking regularly I would think about getting a different engineer to service your parlour it could be a vacuum, pulsation or liner issue or a combination. We were having problems a few years ago and a change of liner and vacuum level sorted it out, cows milked faster and stood quieter.
scoffcruddle
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And my helper still milked an antibiotic cow into the line the other morning :curse:
He needs an electrified collar clipped to his scrotum linked to the milk meter so when he overrides the meter it gives him a wack in the balls.
jcb411abuser
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As long as he had the scrotum to admit what he's done. Had a lad put wash water in the tank n told no-one. Didn't find out till the next morning at breakfast and found the taste in the milk but the tanker had already lifted it. Came back and emptied into the slurry tank, a lit more expensive than it had to be.
scoffcruddle
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He didn't even know he'd done it,I walked to the front of the parlour pressed stop and the cow had already put 22litres in the line,fortunately for him the milk passed,it did have a high dilution rate though.