The grazing season

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  1. jf 850

    jf 850 Well-Known Member

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    Put in the cows on Saturday , day and night. Land is like jelly with what rain has fell in the couple of weeks . Put in yr and half bullocks yesterday , Fr heifers may come in Friday or Saturday. Weanlings should knock on until the end of the month.
     
  2. bruceythom

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    Grazing days getting numbered here now. Has been a difficult Autumn, one very heavy wet field I have with a lot of grass on but not looking good for getting it Grazed. Cows on OAD since weekend. Empties went yesterday. Dried off high SCC cows and cows poor on locomotion, along with a few with shyte yields.
     
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    I have a ryegrass field that was for grazing but didn't get too it.
    All stock in now
    There is a strong cover,3 or 4 bales per acre on it should I get someone to zero graze it or would it be ok to graze in late January or Feb?
     
  6. Ozzy Scott

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    Graze next suitable weather window, do not zero graze
     
  7. Seedsower

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    Why do you say dont zero graze?
    If I do it would be to have the field grown again in spring though it's gone late now I know, it would have been either grazed or zero grazed a while back if weather allowed
     
  8. Ozzy Scott

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    zero grazing is serious hard on land even returning the nutrients, worse again if its the last grazing. I can still see an area in a field that was zero grazed late in the year about 4 yrs ago, and its not as if it hasnt had enough organic fertiliser since
     
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  9. Claas Grass

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    If your ground is dry it will be fine, I'm gone back zero grazing for a few lads this week I'll put up a few pictures later. Ryegrass leaves the ground very open as it's almost like stubble so clay sticking to the wheels is the biggest issue, I've not seen ground suffer long term damage from zero grazing yet, I'd cut it while the weather is as good as it is and have it cleared, putting cattle on it if the weather breaks will mean it'll be half grazed and then poached, I can't see how Ozzy reckons this is a way better alternative although sometimes I do wonder :rolleyes2: you'd also have some nice ground to spread slurry on early next year.
     
  10. marco

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    Id just put a few light cattle on it, makes more sense than bedding and feeding and paying for a zero grazer and then drawing the shite back out.

    If you do leave some grass behind it will help stop tracking with a tanker
     
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  11. Ozzy Scott

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    two very important points i highlighted. if anyone wants to have a bit of fun, go take a photo of a open sward in the nighttime during winter and look at the picture and come back with a % of soil visible vs grass/leaf. Then think how a plant converts light into energy

    Compaction is an absolutely huge issue in all grasslands (well 95%) in Ireland, and its having a serious effect on soils ability to structure and soil biology to function properly. Ask a grower about the crops performance following say a crop of Peas that put a serious amount of H and O2 into soils.

    Swards are at their most vulnerable at this time of winter before they take their rest period to get up and going for the season ahead, they also have to rejuvenate

    Graze at the right time, with the right animals wont cause poaching. an animal will never do as much damage as a machine...... unless farmer doesnt operate under GAP

    ****these are only my observations, so take with a pinch of salt
     
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    No one mentioned the wooly monsters yet...:Whistle2:
     
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    IMG_20191206_154519.jpg IMG_20191206_154657.jpg IMG_20191206_154723.jpg IMG_20191206_154611.jpg @Ozzy Scott & @Seedsower this is a field cut the first two weeks of October while heifer calves grazed at the other side of the white wire.
     
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    This is today in a field of ryegrass, it got too wet a month ago to cut it so had to be left until now. Zero grazer is full when the pictures are taken. IMG_20191205_141831.jpg IMG_20191205_141840.jpg IMG_20191205_141649.jpg IMG_20191205_141731.jpg IMG_20191205_141747.jpg IMG_20191205_141815.jpg
     
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    Root pull? You're not on about the thistles that are growing on the side that was grazed or the dead matter by the wire which would have been brought in when it was under water recently. Well you did say animals will always do less damage than a machine :scratchhead: Pictures above are today, no idea what fertiliser plan was as it's not my field.
     
  18. Ozzy Scott

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    Looks like root pull to me, but considering it was flooded that as different matter. Hope where your zero grazing wasnt flooded, as I'm would be think mycotoxinn if that's the case.

    I wont comment on the pictures of zero grazing as my thinking is ott on soil
     
  19. Claas Grass

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    No it wasn't flooded, too wet as in couldn't travel it until now, I'll take a picture for you again in the Spring, it was the same this time last year, made no differenc. That ryegrass just comes through again, if there was that much soil visible in a normal grazing mix there'd be damage done.
     
  20. Blackwater boy

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    What do you blame for root pull?
     
  21. Ozzy Scott

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    too much available N about, not making plants root deeper, also maybe some surface compaction about.
     
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    What about manganese
     
  23. Ozzy Scott

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    Short roots will have access to little minerals but I would doubt Mn would be the main reason
     

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