Weed

jf 850

jf 850

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I am wondering can anyone say what this weed is? Notice a number of them growing beside where a ring feeder was for while in April . The bales fed there could have come from 4 different places , but not grown here by me.
It reminds me of a Dahlia plant. Is it poisonous?
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Don't know what it is but loads of it growing here on the hardcore yard.
 
The reason for my interest in this plant ,

Over the past 2 1/2 weeks I have had 6 bucket fed weanlings go down with what I thought initially to be meningitis.
The vet reckoned lead poisoning, which might have been possible , as there were old machines put in the corner of the field they were in when when the 1st calf got sick , but cattle have often been in the field , with no ill effects.

The calf will be blind , mad as a hatter, a green scour , possibly going to either the left or right . After a short time , they can’t get up. Thankfully , I haven’t lost any , but it takes a lot out of them , but a couple are still blind.

Treatment , anti inflammatory, antibiotic, and vitamin B1. The B1 costs 50 a bottle...of only 50 ml.

It was only today that my wife noticed maybe a dozen of those weeds , in a circle around a ring feeder.

They have been moved to aftergrass for nearly 2 weeks now , and didn’t have any since , until yesterday , when there was another one. Lead poisoning occurs within 24 to 48hours from exposure.

Cerebrorticol Necrosis CCN, has come up on Google.....
 
jf 850 said:
The reason for my interest in this plant ,

Over the past 2 1/2 weeks I have had 6 bucket fed weanlings go down with what I thought initially to be meningitis.
The vet reckoned lead poisoning, which might have been possible , as there were old machines put in the corner of the field they were in when when the 1st calf got sick , but cattle have often been in the field , with no ill effects.

The calf will be blind , mad as a hatter, a green scour , possibly going to either the left or right . After a short time , they can’t get up. Thankfully , I haven’t lost any , but it takes a lot out of them , but a couple are still blind.

Treatment , anti inflammatory, antibiotic, and vitamin B1. The B1 costs 50 a bottle...of only 50 ml.

It was only today that my wife noticed maybe a dozen of those weeds , in a circle around a ring feeder.

They have been moved to aftergrass for nearly 2 weeks now , and didn’t have any since , until yesterday , when there was another one. Lead poisoning occurs within 24 to 48hours from exposure.

Cerebrorticol Necrosis CCN, has come up on Google.....
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That's some dose. Have had three cases of coccidious in two weeks here in 18 month old bullocks and bad as that is :no:
 
jf 850 said:
The reason for my interest in this plant ,

Over the past 2 1/2 weeks I have had 6 bucket fed weanlings go down with what I thought initially to be meningitis.
The vet reckoned lead poisoning, which might have been possible , as there were old machines put in the corner of the field they were in when when the 1st calf got sick , but cattle have often been in the field , with no ill effects.

The calf will be blind , mad as a hatter, a green scour , possibly going to either the left or right . After a short time , they can’t get up. Thankfully , I haven’t lost any , but it takes a lot out of them , but a couple are still blind.

Treatment , anti inflammatory, antibiotic, and vitamin B1. The B1 costs 50 a bottle...of only 50 ml.

It was only today that my wife noticed maybe a dozen of those weeds , in a circle around a ring feeder.

They have been moved to aftergrass for nearly 2 weeks now , and didn’t have any since , until yesterday , when there was another one. Lead poisoning occurs within 24 to 48hours from exposure.

Cerebrorticol Necrosis CCN, has come up on Google.....
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We had CCN in sheep and they had similar symtoms .
 
jf 850 said:
I am wondering can anyone say what this weed is? Notice a number of them growing beside where a ring feeder was for while in April . The bales fed there could have come from 4 different places , but not grown here by me.
It reminds me of a Dahlia plant. Is it poisonous?
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I'm not able to get a proper ID so far, but my expert reckons it is a member of the Artemisia family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_(genus)
Most are bitter and unpalatable to cattle and sheep and tend to grow around bare area like around troughs, some can cause seizures if eaten in large quantities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_absinthium.
I think I saw them in imported wild flower mixes, or something very similar.
Sorry no definite answer only a best guess
 
Was asking the Brother and he said injection with Vitamin B12 . I remember it happening in dry years. How are they for copper.
 
Bog Man said:
Was asking the Brother and he said injection with Vitamin B12 . I remember it happening in dry years. How are they for copper.
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I gave them all copper boluses about a month ago. Here is a high Molybdenum area; so copper , selenium and iodine are a problem

Do you mean giving each animal Vitamin B12 as a preventative? It's €40something for a 50 cc bottle .
 
jf 850 said:
I gave them all copper boluses about a month ago. Here is a high Molybdenum area; so copper , selenium and iodine are a problem

Do you mean giving each animal Vitamin B12 as a preventative? It's €40something for a 50 cc bottle .
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B12 was the cure. Prevention was cobalt but that was for sheep,not calves.
 
jf 850 said:
I am wondering can anyone say what this weed is? Notice a number of them growing beside where a ring feeder was for while in April . The bales fed there could have come from 4 different places , but not grown here by me.
It reminds me of a Dahlia plant. Is it poisonous?
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Saw the same weed in a bit of rough ground today, this spot would never have had a round feeder so whatever it is it must have been lying dormant but got cut up a bit this spring.
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Arthur said:
Saw the same weed in a bit of rough ground today, this spot would never have had a round feeder so whatever it is it must have been lying dormant but got cut up a bit this spring.View attachment 57653
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That it alright , Arthur.

I don't think it's harmful.
I got my local digger man to dig a new gateway into a field . He left the top soil in a heap , to be be put over stuff that has to be drawn to a hollow. I copped that heifers had grazed that weed on Friday morning. They seem okay , and hopefully stay that way.
 
jf 850 said:
They have a mineral bucket .I didn't see them eating stones . They may have ingested clay , due to the dry weather, dust , bare patches etc.
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https://www.farmhealthonline.com/disease-management/cattle-diseases/polioencephalomalacia/


Good Practice based on Current Knowledge
  • Feed a diet with at least 60% of the dry matter being fresh or conserved green forage
  • Avoid feeds and water with a high sulphur content or introduce these slowly.
  • Be aware of risks associated with grazing bracken
  • Be aware of risks associated with animals starting grazing after a long period without or on a reduced diet (particularly following long and severe periods of rainfall)
  • Do not use ammonium sulphate as an acidity regulator in vitamin/mineral premixes, if these are used on the farm. Administer thiamine HCl (10-15 mg/kg BW iv) or multi-B vitamin preparations i.v. to the affected animal every three to four hours until recovered.
  • If there is no response to treatment, arrange for on-farm casualty slaughter
  • Supplement in-contact animals with thiamine propyl disulphide or thiamine tetrafurfuryldisulphide until normal rumen fermentation is re-established.
 
Bog Man said:
https://www.farmhealthonline.com/disease-management/cattle-diseases/polioencephalomalacia/


Good Practice based on Current Knowledge
  • Feed a diet with at least 60% of the dry matter being fresh or conserved green forage
  • Avoid feeds and water with a high sulphur content or introduce these slowly.
  • Be aware of risks associated with grazing bracken
  • Be aware of risks associated with animals starting grazing after a long period without or on a reduced diet (particularly following long and severe periods of rainfall)
  • Do not use ammonium sulphate as an acidity regulator in vitamin/mineral premixes, if these are used on the farm. Administer thiamine HCl (10-15 mg/kg BW iv) or multi-B vitamin preparations i.v. to the affected animal every three to four hours until recovered.
  • If there is no response to treatment, arrange for on-farm casualty slaughter
  • Supplement in-contact animals with thiamine propyl disulphide or thiamine tetrafurfuryldisulphide until normal rumen fermentation is re-established.
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What is either Thiamine Propyl Disulphide or thiamine tetrafurfuryldisulpide commonly known as ?

Theould lad in the local Glanbia would look at you asking for either
 
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