3rd cut

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  1. mfman

    mfman Well-Known Member

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    Normally only make 2 cuts of silage here a year, just after finishing the 2nd cut now.

    I will be keeping some extra stock over this coming winter,

    I have never taken a 3rd before so I’m just wondering how much N would you go with for 3rd cut ?

    If I spread 18-6-12 at a bag per acre, I should have a nice fresh but light crop for cutting around mid to end of August ?
     
  2. gone

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    With 3 cuts of silage you will be removing a lot of K.
    I would much prefer put out 2 bags of 12-5-25+S or 15-3-20+S.
     
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  3. Blackwater boy

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    I’d imagine you won’t have any bulk at all until at least early September, we do some 3rd cut every year and it gets 2500 gallons of slurry and 50 units of sul can.
     
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    Was planning to put on 3 bags of 18 6 12 plus sulphur along 3k slurry .didnt get much slurry for 2nd cutso dont want to be cutting it to tight but excess k brings more problems than not enough.290 for 18 with sulpher i think
     
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    That is a good big dose of K, if the slurry is OK.
     
  6. Ozzy Scott

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    Good recipe for dead animals, given the luxury uptake of K from now on.
     
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    Suppose it depends on the amount and quality of the slurry, but along with the 36 units of K a big dose of slurry could cause trouble, but that being said I have seen way more K deficient silage crops than luxury K uptake by a factor of 10 to 1 or maybe even 100 to 1.
     
  8. Bencroy

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    Would be just of the collecting yard at back of parlour and where they stand after milking so watery stuff.
    Nothing worse than subclinical milkfever and da's from extra k though.
     
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  9. Blackwater boy

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    290 for 18-6-12+S?? That’s serious value
     
  10. Bencroy

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    Yara fertiliser that was price of it at end of may from markville farms in louth deliered to leitrim
    Not a fan of grassland
     
  11. Ozzy Scott

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    I suppose, I always worked of the fact a crops would require the same amount of units of K as of N, and 5:1 for N:S made up from either chemical or organic.
     
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  12. Mf240

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    Definitely dont give to cows before calving. Milk fever
     
  13. Bencroy

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    Be grand with magnesium flakes on silage daily as a precaution to balance the cation anion balance( cab ) ora good dry cow mineral designed for high k silage rather than the standard mineral
     
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    Any issue with feeding silage like mentioned above to store cattle or fattening cattle.
     
  15. Ozzy Scott

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    Why pump the silage ground with K, to in turn have to feed mag flakes to counteract subclinical issues. Cut back on a bag of K and spread a bag of magnesium
     
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  16. Bencroy

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    Its rare youd have to do it.wasnt enough of k out for 2nd cut cause got only 1500 gals to the acre.all was out from spring
    As they say you only get out what ya put in

    On a different note with silage and accidents , the contractor himself left the yard in an ambulance sunday morning.his loader driver was pushing up the last load and he went to stop his own driver and he never saw him and clipped him with the wheel and floored him. Foot / ankle in bother. Nothing to major , few weeks laid up but if there was a claim whos insurance would it be off.theres no fear of him claiming of me but if contractor had to do it to his driver would that mean that i could be held liable on my insurance.
    Didnt want to mention it yet to insurance rep as we both have the same man and if contractor wanted to claim of his own personal accident cover of his farm it could leave it awkard for him
     
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    Afaik if it went down as a farm accident in the hospital the hsa will take an interest. Maybe he didn't give many details..
     
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    Glanbia today . Sweet 18 , I think it’s 18/6/10 + s + na is €340 . Richland is €325.

    I very very much doubt you could buy 18/6/12+ s for 290.
     
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    That sweet 18 stuff includes some GEN urea as part of the N bit.
     
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    Thought protectedUprotected and P was a big no no?

    Edit: That should say protected urea.
     
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  21. Blackwater boy

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    I wasn’t aware of that
     
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    Maybe it is specific to certain protected ureas I don't know. It was the reason I was given for not having protected ureas in compounds.
     
  23. Mf240

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    That list price or selling price .
     
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    What's can roughly
     
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    On the screen , so list.
    I chanced 2 bags if the Sweet 18 into the spreader. Had been sperading Richland up to now on this round .
     
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