Covid 19
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Arthur
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The blind leading the blind comes to mind.
ranger
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I thought Donnelly was honest enough on CBL. We can keep blaming the politicians but while we have a shower of eejits acting the mick both here and abroad we are fighting a losing cause. No need to go further than this thread to verify that.
Also no need to compare what's happening in other countries if all were known I think we are coping fairly well. Yes there were mistakes made but hindsight is a virtue.
Also no need to compare what's happening in other countries if all were known I think we are coping fairly well. Yes there were mistakes made but hindsight is a virtue.
wdah
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i doubt that to be strictly true, it didnt matter what you died of if u tested psoitive for covid it was counted, not a ture reflection. 2 different ways of counting and they were both used depending on effect that was to be shown but in fairness thye are pushing on with offering people the vaccine and getting it done.
headcase
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Deaths with covid,not from covid
Mid cork
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As far as I know in the UK a person has to die within on month of being diagnosed for it to be recorded as a covid death. This is not the case in most other countries. Some argue that the numbers in the UK are in fact under reported. There is no doubt the UK have got the vaccination right.
JohnBoy
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Our 14 day case rate at this stage is 240 per 100k, it's falling but not as quickly as the autumn. I think partially seasonality and partially a bit of lockdown fatigue.
The great news is that the effects of the vaccine are already evident, despite the small numbers vaccinated yet, the over 85s are consistently dropping as a percentage of new cases, it is working.
I do think it's a shame that the leaving certs and early primary are not going back until next week, should have been back yesterday. They've missed so much already.
Uk Vaccine approach is a gamble, they are pressing ahead giving people their1st shot, but delaying the 2nd shots in favour of getting more 1st shots done. The logic is some research shows that even a single shot is giving some level of protection, the risk is that in a two shot programme, having a delayed 2nd shot can mean that the person won’t actually become fully vaccinated. It’s a calculated risk, hopefully for their sake it will work
JohnBoy
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Pretty much every country is the same, it's a comparable stat.
13spanner
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It’s a great show.
The one the week before on pandemics was scary.
diesel power
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The brother sent me this earlier
bagenal
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I heard a bit on some news programme or other this morning that they are going against the advice of one of the pharma companies with their delayed 2nd shot strategy and there's a possibility that the efficacy won't be as high as it would be were the 2nd shot given within the recommended time.
FIAT 450
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Sure you wouldn't delay your second jab of lepto in heifers for fear of the same. It's risky out what they are doing.
Was thinking about this too. They have made a balls of covid , by doing this with the vaccine there could be a shitshow in a few months time. Also a waste of valuable vaccine if they aren't following the guidelines
Arthur
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Said to reduce it to 60 percent effective.
muckymanor
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But the goalposts are always going to move. If the majority of new cases are UK variant then we are virtually dealing with a whole new disease. We are going to have setbacks - the Brazilian variant has to be a worry at this time too. Being realistic, we will be lucky to have family visit for be able to go out for a meal at Christmas. Its good to have the kids back. Let's hope it lasts!
Merv_B
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Speaking to a friend in the UK the other day. His parents, who are both in their 80s have been vaccinated. Great, they can now get back to heading to the shops etc... Doctor says they are not sure if the vaccine is effective for the new strains or if they could indeed pass it on so best to return home and cacoon just like they have been doing for the last 12 months. The vaccine is by no means a silver bullet.
jcb411abuser
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Reading all this is getting to me. When do we admit that we aren't going to have total protection and just get on with life? They don't even know how many different variants they have cause they aren't testing to know. How many different variants of the Brazilian variant is there and how many other countries have their dozen variants. It's what viruses do!
When is enough enough that we just say it's ducked up but we've gotta move on and we can't live indefinitely in bubbles.
I've said it over and over again we aren't even looking at what happened just at ordinary people living their lives and accusing them of not behaving properly, instead of say "why the fuck did this happen, how could we not prevent it getting from China to Ireland? How do we make sure it never happens again?"
People seem to be all to happy to accept that being locked down like this ruining local small businesses in the hospitality sector not seeing family or friends or socialising, is an ok consequence for having market access to the EU, China etc etc which meant we couldn't control our border and still can't.
When is enough enough that we just say it's ducked up but we've gotta move on and we can't live indefinitely in bubbles.
I've said it over and over again we aren't even looking at what happened just at ordinary people living their lives and accusing them of not behaving properly, instead of say "why the fuck did this happen, how could we not prevent it getting from China to Ireland? How do we make sure it never happens again?"
People seem to be all to happy to accept that being locked down like this ruining local small businesses in the hospitality sector not seeing family or friends or socialising, is an ok consequence for having market access to the EU, China etc etc which meant we couldn't control our border and still can't.
FIAT 450
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Agree 👍