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  1. muckymanor

    muckymanor Well-Known Member

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    People will call my bluff but we have not used a lice pour on here for 5 years. Instead we clip everything. 4 runs of the clippers - 2 each side of the back bone. It takes about 40 seconds per animal.

    We have had no scratching, no hair loss and little expense with the clippers only costing €70.

    I don't know why it works but it does. Vet was here one day and commented that it's because lice live across the back bone because it's the warmest point in the cattle body. removing the hair removes the lice.
     
  2. Eoin Fenton

    Eoin Fenton Well-Known Member

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    That's correct, lice need hair to nest in. No hair no lice. It also keeps them a lot cleaner, No sweating and lying shite sticks to sweaty hides. Clipping is a great job
     
  3. Ozzy Scott

    Ozzy Scott Well-Known Member

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    Havnt routinely done cattle for lice for years, do the odd animal in the shed in the winter and just adopt a wait And see approach. We really have to start using all insecticides as sparingly as possible
     
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    mixed fleet Well-Known Member

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    Are you clipping the cattles back's .
     
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    Marooned75 Well-Known Member

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    Have cattle in since last week,dosed with closamectin pouron the day the arrived here mid August.A few are watery and scoury today any recommendations for dosing them now drench or injection.
     
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    Rumen fluke and liver fluke are common this year apparently .
    2 good farmers near me with big problems.
     
  7. dstig

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    Liver fluke is a big problem down here anyway, I hit them for both every year and the vet has suggested doing the cows in late Aug early Sept and dumping the milk for 4days, but I dried off the cows early this year so I passed on that idea but will keep a close eye on it next year !
     
  8. muckymanor

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    I had scoured cows in August that lasted more than 3 weeks and I did them with Levafas Diamond and it cleared them up in a day. I did the weinlings with it too! The wet summer was the biggest cause of rumen fluke. The cattle thrived well after doing them!
     
  9. bruceythom

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    I remember when we were affected by rumen fluke, that the cows were very sick for a couple of days after dosing them, then they took off. Allegedly, if they are really bad, dosing them can kill them.
     
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    I heard that at my last discussion group meeting. Lads very against doing them with it. Vet recommended that you dose them twice with a half rate dose for safety
     
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  11. Ozzy Scott

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    Rumen fluke is allot smaller problem that what Norbrook would have you believe. Yes there are odd cases in herds, but highly unlikely the whole herd needs to be done for rumen fluke. Randomly dosing for rumen fluke would knock a week to 10 days off performance for cattle that don't have rumen fluke
     
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    bruceythom Well-Known Member

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    When we had the problem, we only dosed cows the cows that were showing signs of affection. We should be taking the same approach with all parasites IMO
     
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    It could be hard keep track of "selective "dosing, who got what and when . Less so now , I suppose with apps on phones etc.
    Also pastures wouldn't be clean if you had mixed stock grazing them.

    I must say I do agree on overuse of medicines , especially antibiotics , when ventilation in sheds is often to blame , and not difficult to rectify.
     
  14. ford76

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    just wondering wen you Rd clipping cattle are they on straw or slats.must be perished with da cold
     
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    I bought a clippers this time last year , and did all cattles backs in "a landing strip ", A great job , buy I also did them with Ectospec poron at the same time. Have done done the yr and half cattle with the clippers , which are housed . They look very clean.

    Poron is a waste of money puttin it on a couple of inchs of hair. Whatever chance it has of working , it needs to have skin contact.
     
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    It's very easy to rectify jf.......remove the roof!!
     
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    They are on slats. I don't honestly think they would get cold. They are housed.
     
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    Just because you forgot to put the roof on your cubicles :tt2:
     
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    Will it work?
    Might get to use it, as cattle are feeding,
    or if I'm in the shed with them, I should be outside the kicking zone..
     
  20. Ozzy Scott

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    @ithastopay you big girls blouse, I regularly give two vaccines and a pour-on while cattle are at the feed rail, you get right good at it after the first kick. Even the pour guns can fire it along the back from a distance
     
  21. muckymanor

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    We have one of those squeezy bottles for the job . Pour on is transferred from the 5 litreatment drum to the half litre bottle. The bottle is duck taped to a small wooden later about 5ft long. No bother doing cattle in the pen with it.
     
  22. Big Vern

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    You crack on mate ,,, all the hard men calling you a blouse won't be there on a Sunday morning when you e a broke arm, leg or summat,,, been dosing cattle for most of the day and it's a bastard of a job,, shyte all over n cattle proper grumpy,,,

    EDIT been dosing for liver fluke
     
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    I don't mind the kicks.
    Not that fond of the digs.

    Better be safe than sorry, there are far too many chances taken on farms.
    We have to look after ourselves.
     
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  25. Arthur

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    @ithastopay how did this work out for you, need to give my lads a lice treatment and thought back to this, save a bit of graft getting 8 pens out and the antics of them when they get a bit of freedom plus I wouldn't be needing a dry day.
     

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