Shed ideas

johndeere6920s

johndeere6920s

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Looks like I won't be going insulated sheeting but want something at the same time.
What about those rolls of foil like stuff for the roof sheets ?
Are these new unbreakable plastic sheets a good job ?
What's the best method to stop a concrete floor being damp half the year ?
 
johndeere6920s said:
Looks like I won't be going insulated sheeting but want something at the same time.
What about those rolls of foil like stuff for the roof sheets ?
Are these new unbreakable plastic sheets a good job ?
What's the best method to stop a concrete floor being damp half the year ?
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Floor should be simple enough. Polythene over all the floor turned up wall and taped with radon tape at all joints. And dont bust a pile of holes in it. Should be dry enough
 
johndeere6920s said:
Looks like I won't be going insulated sheeting but want something at the same time.
What about those rolls of foil like stuff for the roof sheets ?
Are these new unbreakable plastic sheets a good job ?
What's the best method to stop a concrete floor being damp half the year ?
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What was the price difference that steered you away from insulated?
 
johndeere6920s said:
Looks like I won't be going insulated sheeting but want something at the same time.
What about those rolls of foil like stuff for the roof sheets ?
Are these new unbreakable plastic sheets a good job ?
What's the best method to stop a concrete floor being damp half the year ?
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Put underfloor heating in it. Either electric or water based. Or put panels on the roof and heat it off grid .
 
johndeere6920s said:
Looks like I won't be going insulated sheeting but want something at the same time.
What about those rolls of foil like stuff for the roof sheets ?
Are these new unbreakable plastic sheets a good job ?
What's the best method to stop a concrete floor being damp half the year ?
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Are you going using this workshop for mechanical/fabrication work?
 
Saw lately someone put in a fire master into their shed. I’ve also seen one lately piped up to a house heating system from the garage.

Why would the floor of the shed be damp?? My workshop has a pit which fills with water. Would this be drawing any damp from rising through the floor??
Otherwise put down a sheet of silage plastic over the stone when laying.
Non drop will stop the roof dripping.

The underfloor heating concept is interesting. Only issue apart from initial cost would be fixing anything to the floor afterwards.

Have you thought about putting in a pit?
I think a pit would be hand for your work.
 
Tekscrew said:
Saw lately someone put in a fire master into their shed. I’ve also seen one lately piped up to a house heating system from the garage.

Why would the floor of the shed be damp?? My workshop has a pit which fills with water. Would this be drawing any damp from rising through the floor??
Otherwise put down a sheet of silage plastic over the stone when laying.
Non drop will stop the roof dripping.

The underfloor heating concept is interesting. Only issue apart from initial cost would be fixing anything to the floor afterwards.

Have you thought about putting in a pit?
I think a pit would be hand for your work.
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Why do you find the pit handy for tractor repairs? I have used one and couldn't see much value in it. It's a significant bit of work to put a pit into a shed
 
johndeere6920s said:
Mechanical work and fabrication work.
Insulated sheeting was going to be over 40 grand
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40 grand is a lot of money .

BUT , if you are going to be spending most of the winter in there , far more time than in your home , there will be no comparison between insulated and standard sheeting .
Look at it this way . You appear to be selling a considerable number of tractors . In your mind , if you allocated 250 off of each of this yrs tractors towards insulated sheeting , you have a big hole made .
It is your place of business. Look at any dealers around , and see the standard of that . Halfway to that is still a fine job .
 
jf 850 said:
40 grand is a lot of money .

BUT , if you are going to be spending most of the winter in there , far more time than in your home , there will be no comparison between insulated and standard sheeting .
Look at it this way . You appear to be selling a considerable number of tractors . In your mind , if you allocated 250 off of each of this yrs tractors towards insulated sheeting , you have a big hole made .
It is your place of business. Look at any dealers around , and see the standard of that . Halfway to that is still a fine job .
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I read an article about a CAT dealer in a very cold part of the US building a new workshop , they paid great attention to lighting , natural and artificial and designed the building with underfloor heating and doors that actually sealed along with various other things to make the work easier.
They found it much easier to get and retain staff as a result.
Its a heap of money though...
I was pricing a shed workshop recently, insulated sheeting added 50% to the cost
 
jf 850 said:
40 grand is a lot of money .

BUT , if you are going to be spending most of the winter in there , far more time than in your home , there will be no comparison between insulated and standard sheeting .
Look at it this way . You appear to be selling a considerable number of tractors . In your mind , if you allocated 250 off of each of this yrs tractors towards insulated sheeting , you have a big hole made .
It is your place of business. Look at any dealers around , and see the standard of that . Halfway to that is still a fine job .
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I agree tbh. Standard or Non Drip = Freezing shed in cold weather and roasting shed in hot weather.
As @Arthur says above Its the difference in price (which is still going to be large obviously) that matters.
On a big roof, anything you go doing in addition to sheeting is going to bring the cost another bit closer to going with proper insulated sheets.

Snowball engineering did this on his existing shed, but I would think trying to do it or similar on a new build, would be just faffing around.

 
LoughreeMan said:
Why do you find the pit handy for tractor repairs? I have used one and couldn't see much value in it. It's a significant bit of work to put a pit into a shed
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For fitting the likes of a pickup hitch. Have it just at the edge of the pit, on a jack, and you go round down into the pit to put in bolts, no rolling around on the ground then.
Unless you have a pit you generally won’t see the benefit of it.
 
Kingspan are notoriously expensive.

There are other options, you could have EPS or Mineral wool panels. Not as good an insulator per mm but much much cheaper.

One link I found on Google.

www.panelsell.ie

Special offers: Rockwool Roof Panels | 2nd choice | 50 - 200mm thick | from £24.90 | 3-4 week lead time | 150m² min order

EUR 24.90 -> Special offers: Rockwool Roof Panels | 2nd choice | 50 - 200mm thick | from £24.90 | 3-4 week lead time | 150m² min order | 2nd choice: not used before, may or may not...
www.panelsell.ie www.panelsell.ie

I think gusclad and skyclad do panels too.

If you put most of your clear side sheeting facing south it'll go a long way towards keeping the shed warm too.
 
johndeere6920s said:
Mechanical work and fabrication work.
Insulated sheeting was going to be over 40 grand
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I just did a very quick and rough calculation.
If my memory serves me correctly, you were looking at putting up a 100' x 40' (30.5m x 12.2m) shed.
Assuming it is a clear span, portal frame building, 16' (5m) to the eaves, with a 15 degree (1.65m total rise) roof pitch,
you will need the following quantities of sheeting, to sheet it to the ground.
Taking out openings for doors, etc. would further reduce the below quantities.

Walls, 86 sheets x 5m = 430m
Gables, 12 sheets x 1.65m = 20m (19.8m)
Roof, 61 sheets x 6.4m = 390m

Grand total = 840m

40mm Kingspan insulated cladding (1m cover) would cost 840 x €33 = €27,720 + 23% vat.
40mm Falk insulated cladding (1.1m cover) would cost 840 x €28 = €23,520 + 23% vat
0.7mm single skin cladding, no insulation (1m) would cost 840 x €18 = €15,120 + 23% vat.

That would be the cost of the cladding, but wouldn't include flashings, fixings or clear sheets and labour, to fit it.
However, with the exception of the clear sheets, these costs would be very similar for both single skin and insulated cladding.
 
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Tekscrew said:
For fitting the likes of a pickup hitch. Have it just at the edge of the pit, on a jack, and you go round down into the pit to put in bolts, no rolling around on the ground then.
Unless you have a pit you generally won’t see the benefit of it.
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I have used one, the man had lorries and tractors in the yeard. Invaluable for lorries, I can't see much value for tractor repairs, and there added safety issue in a workshop. Climbing up and down from the pit is harder than getting up off a decent trolley imo
 
Agri-Eng said:
I just did a very quick and rough calculation.
If my memory serves me correctly, you were looking at putting up a 100' x 40' (30.5m x 12.2m) shed.
Assuming it is a clear span, portal frame building, 16' (5m) to the eaves, with a 15 degree (1.65m total rise) roof pitch,
you will need the following quantities of sheeting, to sheet it to the ground.
Taking out openings for doors, etc. would further reduce the below quantities.

Walls, 86 sheets x 5m = 430m
Gables, 12 sheets x 1.65m = 20m (19.8m)
Roof, 61 sheets x 6.4m = 390m

Grand total = 840m

40mm Kingspan insulated cladding (1m cover) would cost 840 x €33 = €27,720 + 23% vat.
40mm Falk insulated cladding (1.1m cover) would cost 840 x €28 = €23,520 + 23% vat
0.7mm single skin cladding, no insulation (1m) would cost 840 x €18 = €15,120 + 23% vat.

That would be the cost of the cladding, but wouldn't include flashings, fixings or clear sheets and labour, to fit it.
However, with the exception of the clear sheets, these costs would be very similar for both single skin and insulated cladding.
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That's a detailed post. Thanks .
I can buy 0.7 sheeting for 10 a meter.
So it's 20 euro a meter more for insulated sheeting were also going a bit bigger
 
Arthur said:
Another option would be to sheet with regular sheeting and spray on insulation after, has anyone compared the cost. https://irelandsprayfoaminsulation.com/shed-insulation/
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Again not really feasable for a new build IMO, I would think it would nearly cost the difference in the prices quoted by @Agri-Eng above
Worth considering for an existing build maybe, but I have heard mixed reviews on it. Timber not able to breathe being one of them.
It tends to look a bit sh1tty too, especially after time.
To me, looking at the comparison above, and given the total cost to build a shed nowadays, insulated is a no brainer
 
johndeere6920s said:
That's a detailed post. Thanks .
I can buy 0.7 sheeting for 10 a meter.
So it's 20 euro a meter more for insulated sheeting were also going a bit bigger
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You are more than welcome.
That is a very good price for 0.7 single cladding.
One point to bear in mind with insulated caldding, is because it is a lot more rigid than single skin cladding, one can get away with less purlins, when using insulated cladding, as the purlins do not have to be spaced as close, as if one was using single skin cladding.
Another option for you, if you wanted to save money, would be to put insulated cladding on the roof and put single skin on the sides and gables.
 
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