Use of organic manures in Tillage crops

[Ozzy Scott]

Got 3k/ac before ploughing, land had got nothing for years before, so was going with another 2k/ac. Light ground

3k is enough of a hit for a few months. Large application of slurry in short periods wont be of benefit.

A little and often

 

[rustymcsocks]

Last bit fym getting spread and ploughed in. Ploughing wrapped up for the spring when this bit is done.

 

[headcase]

hand was forced a bit here
Too much material in it for injector into grass land so....

 

[headcase]

If my sums are correct then 4k gal/a gives me 45/45/90 units?

 

[Masseyrk662]

Ploughing down 4500 gallons to the acre of cattle slurry for a customer. It’s going into wholecrop barley and grass. While tanker was on said I’d apply 2000 gallons of pig slurry to some wheat just 5 acres as an experiment. Doing it now, should be all in the ground by morning so hopefully very low volatilisation.

 

[headcase]

Ploughing down 4500 gallons to the acre of cattle slurry for a customer. It’s going into wholecrop barley and grass. While tanker was on said I’d apply 2000 gallons of pig slurry to some wheat just 5 acres as an experiment. Doing it now, should be all in the ground by morning so hopefully very low volatilisation.

The 2k of pig will do more good than the 4.5k ploughed under

 

[Blackwater boy]

The 2k of pig will do more good than the 4.5k ploughed under

Why do you think that?

 

[headcase]

Why do you think that?

On top the crop will utilize it near straight away
Ploughed in it will be down 7inches +
Take a while for the crop to find that

 

[Masseyrk662]

I know cattle slurry is very low in N but in theory when the plant needs the most N wouldn’t the roots just be reaching the slurry ? Think I read that before

 

[headcase]

I know cattle slurry is very low in N but in theory when the plant needs the most N wouldn’t the roots just be reaching the slurry ? Think I read that before

I doubt your barley roots will go down more than 5 inches

 

[Masseyrk662]

Ploughing in hen manure on an organic farm to grow kale yesterday

 

[FIAT 450]

Are guys seening better results Ploughing down dung after spreading or spreading in the back end and plough in the spring?

 

[Ozzy Scott]

Are guys seening better results Ploughing down dung after spreading or spreading in the back end and plough in the spring?

I will say organic manure should never be ploughed down. But theory and practice are 2 completely different things

 

[Ozzy Scott]

Ploughing in hen manure on an organic farm to grow kale yesterday

Is conventional hen manure allowed on an organic farm?

 

[FIAT 450]

I will say organic manure should never be ploughed down. But theory and practice are 2 completely different things

I have noticed this year two fields that got dung and a good coating of it seem to have had higher slug damage to the rest. Just wondering is there a link with the dung on the field all winter.

 

[Ozzy Scott]

I have noticed this year two fields that got dung and a good coating of it seem to have had higher slug damage to the rest. Just wondering is there a link with the dung on the field all winter.

Was there stubble on the field over winter of both fields your comparing?

 

[Masseyrk662]

Is conventional hen manure allowed on an organic farm?

I don’t know if it was organic hen manure or conventional to be honest. I am a firm believer in ploughing down manure @FIAT 450 once it’s not ploughed down too deep

 

[FIAT 450]

Was there stubble on the field over winter of both fields your comparing?

Ya there was.

 

[Barrowsider]

I will say organic manure should never be ploughed down. But theory and practice are 2 completely different things

Perhaps the best farmer around here over the last 50 years had an expression "ploughing down the steam". He would never work the dung spreader unless the plough was following far behind. He bought a lot of ground out of the proceeds of farming over the years. I'd rate his practice over your theory any day.

 

[Blackwater boy]

I have noticed this year two fields that got dung and a good coating of it seem to have had higher slug damage to the rest. Just wondering is there a link with the dung on the field all winter.

Is it Leather jackets your referring to rather than slugs?

 

[MF30]

Are guys seening better results Ploughing down dung after spreading or spreading in the back end and plough in the spring?

I would do a bit of both, autumn spread dung would be in the dungstead for around 6 months breaking down and the March spread dung being ploughed down the next day would be straight out of the cattle shed and fairly strawy. Can’t say I’d find much difference, the composted stuff may be leaching into the soil for a while but the soil here would store it well. As long as there’s plenty lashed on then whatever suits your workload should be fine.

 

[FIAT 450]

Is it Leather jackets your referring to rather than slugs?

Sorry yes. Don't know why i said slugs

 

[Masseyrk662]

Back at my own straw incorporation scheme

 

[Masseyrk662]

I have a good lot of pig slurry left to use. Would it be a total waste spreading it on stubbles (splash plate) and not tilling it in. It’s all winter cereal ground I was planning on not touching it until I have to plough it

 

[MF30]

I have a good lot of pig slurry left to use. Would it be a total waste spreading it on stubbles (splash plate) and not tilling it in. It’s all winter cereal ground I was planning on not touching it until I have to plough it

I’d imagine in this weather it would dry into the ground and be useable for winter crops rather than in wet weather it might get leached away. Obviously some would be lost to the atmosphere in hot dry weather.