Brexit
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Fair enough, point taken. I will just put it on record that I have bitten my tongue and not resorted to name calling.
I have my opinions about the EU and stand by them, the current state of farming and the age profile is example enough. Just as an example read the article at the back of this months Profi about farming in France to see the level of mindless unproductive bureaucracy we are in for.
Young people have been choosing an easier life long before eu came about. See american farmers having similar problems.
Half agree with you but unfortunately there is more going on and the internet hasn t been a friend to the farmer when one sees how fast stuff spreads around whether its fact or not. We d better get some paddles. Because whatever about brexit or Eu for that matter. We re going to be in unpredictable water for forseeable
BasilSeal
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More name callinggood man.
Pointing out your shameless hypocrisy isn't name calling, it's more a statement of fact.
Why not read either of the quite detailed explanations i've already given?
nashmach
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Does the Queen have any say in this or is just rubber stamping what is agreed by both houses of Parliament?
I'm not completely aufait with the UK system.
No matter what your viewpoint on this, It's a complete sham. The amount of money and resources been dithered on it and the uncertainty it has created over the past 18 months. I'm sure even in the UK, they have better things to be sorting like housing and healthcare.
I was doing my usual skimming through the local paper last night and the impacts on tourism are already being reflected locally which doesn't bode well.
The impact on currency has already been mentioned as well. Our Taoiseach needs to get the finger out and meet Boris and discuss What's going on, his incompetence since Boris was elected is quite frankly mind boggling.
I'm not completely aufait with the UK system.
No matter what your viewpoint on this, It's a complete sham. The amount of money and resources been dithered on it and the uncertainty it has created over the past 18 months. I'm sure even in the UK, they have better things to be sorting like housing and healthcare.
I was doing my usual skimming through the local paper last night and the impacts on tourism are already being reflected locally which doesn't bode well.
The impact on currency has already been mentioned as well. Our Taoiseach needs to get the finger out and meet Boris and discuss What's going on, his incompetence since Boris was elected is quite frankly mind boggling.
nashmach
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Well said and that goes for all posters on this.
I think this is Mark 3 of this thread and even the Ford Escort came to an end and this thread may do the same again.... don't push it.
You do know the street the British Embassy is on in Iran is called after Bobby Sands? This Corbyn fella seems sound
recycled
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i beleive in theory if there was something she didnt agree with she doesnt need to rubber stamp it but basically she doesnt get involved in politics thats whats shes got a government for , if she started that sort of thing it would be undemocratic and you would be heading for a dictatorship .i think there was suggestions she might not sign of the fox hunting ban but that never happened , shes no daft
headcase
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Is he still at it?name calling, the end of rational arguement
I read that before it's a funny story.
When Sands died, Iran renamed the street the British embassy was on as a show of solidarity to the republican movement.
Because the British couldn't have Bobby Sands Street on an official letter head, they bricked up the entrance and moved it around the corner of the building to another street.
nashmach
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The puns start: :rolleyes2:
https://www.donedeal.ie/manurespreaders-for-sale/ditch-for-sale/22898532
Little ironic the section it is in too
https://www.donedeal.ie/manurespreaders-for-sale/ditch-for-sale/22898532
Little ironic the section it is in too
BasilSeal
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The worst thing about brexit is its ultimately divisive nature. this thread is just a microcosm of what's happening in the wider discourse around the UK. the irony is the vast majority of people didn't give a badger's chuff about the EU until Cameron called his referendum, now the country is split down the middle and this bad feeling won't go away even when brexit is resolved one way or the other.
I understand why people voted to leave, the EU is a flawed organisation, also in many cases people just wanted change, and this would certainly be a big change. In the past people voted for a new govt only to find it was just like the old one, (anyone remember 1997 when blair got in and everyone was so please they'd finally got rid of the tories after 18 years they failed to notice he was just the same). Here people voted for something hat would definitely mean radical change of some sort, even if it was to blow everything up and see how the pieces landed, i can understand that they're angry that it's not happening.
The problem with brexit has always been the practical difficulties of enacting it though. The UK's trade and regulation has had 40 years of integration with the EU, unraveling that won't be easy. to leave was always going to require a degree of compromise and pragmatism, Unfortunately those who most want leave are unwilling to compromise.
it's easy to blame MPs, but those who campaigned for leave were not in the position of having to deliver on the promises they made, other people would be doing that, hence they could promise whatever they liked and never be called to deliver on it. It would be like Mike asking for suggestions for the forum and me saying that every poster sould be given a thousand pounds. when my suggestion wins the poll for which one should be adopted, rather than dip my hand in my pocket to fund this largess, i start a thread moaning about how non of us have got our thousand quid yet. That's essentially Nigel Farage's MO, he promises the public things that are not in his power to deliver then moans like feck when other people fail to deliver them for him.
what concerns me most is the way in which politicians like Johnson and Farage seek to weaponise the divisive nature of the debate for their own ends. Rather than seek compromise and common ground, they accentuate the divide to galvanise their support, it's straight out of the trump playbook, and it's not going to end well.
BasilSeal
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you're bemoaning the end of rational argument? clearly irony has died too.
TAFKAT
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Maybe it's just me, but I think the scariest part of the whole thing is the debate seems to be moving beyond "stay or leave" and heading towards "democracy or dictatorship". It's not a problem that's confined to the UK, it's happening all across the Western world, "He's a great lad, he shouts a lot and says what I want to hear, sod the democratic process let's just put him in charge". When I was in school history was always my favourite subject, I could never get my head around how the world wars started, the whole concept seemed bonkers and surely rational people couldn't be duped into it I thought. Now it doesn't seems so mad, there are nearly as many headcases in charge as there were in the 30's.
you,re right , fine gael should get rid of leo
TAFKAT
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Leo is completely out of his depth, but it speaks volumes about the state of politics in this country that there is no strong personality to capitalise on his incompetence. If Haughey had followed Leo there would be statues of him in every town and village in the country now and every able bodied male over 40 would be called Cathal, and I'd be no fan of Haughey.you,re right , fine gael should get rid of leo
politics is run by spin doctors and PR companies now and thats why lads like me kinda have a sneaky admiration for the loose cannon, would any spin doctor let his lad say he,d rather die in a ditch
TAFKAT
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I like someone in the local pub to be a loose cannon, he's a bit mad, what will he do next, he might buy a clapped-out Hi-ace and cut the roof off it and go drawing silage, that kinda thing. I don't like a loose cannon in charge of a nuclear arsenal, that's in no way entertaining. Boris was funny when he was a minion, now he's just terrifying.
c4l
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i myself would find that entertaining. ooh will they launch a nuke and kill millions of ppl? what are the odds of them doing it? will i bet big or small in the local betting agency? might win something before imminent death
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Cork
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And there inlies some of the problem in my opinion.
I’ve been thinking about this “new” type of leadership.
Most of the western world is pretty comfortable, we have enough to eat, have a passing interest in global warming, more worried about the next holiday or a new car on pcp.
When it comes to politics, who cares, someone else will sort that out.
The portion of society who are actually hungry and can’t afford what the others have will vote for the person who appeals to them - people before profit, Sinn Fein and far right politicians who promise the world.
The comfortable fat asses won’t bother voting or will vote for someone they find trendy or entertaining - politics to them (if they’re interested) is like watching the reality TV which has become part of their lives via whatever sh1te they watch.
If you can appeal to the above two demographic groups, you’re on a winner - e.g. Trump, Boris, various European far right politicians.
Who knows, if they really get sucked in they might even bet on what you are going to do next.
Now, where did I put that brochure for the new Hyundai Hybrid that the trendy bearded salesman said I could put on PCP.......
BasilSeal
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Thing is, that was very probably what his 'spin doctor' Dominic Cummings told him to say.
Johnson's loose canon bumbling boris persona is a carefully crafted artifice.