The reseeding thread

What does these vertical tracks indicate, if anything?
Don't think they are wheel tracks as that is the narrow direction of the fields and we've not been in it with machinery in about 6 years.
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Old Lazy beds . Potatoes were grown on them but grain was also grown on them . We have old letters from the 1780’s describing it being done in a field called the Limetree . I was the first person to plough them .
 
Soil test done. Told to put out can at 2.5 bags to the acre. It’s silage ground. Hoping to spread on Tuesday evening.
How many weeks after spreading would it be safe to cut?
 
Old Lazy beds . Potatoes were grown on them but grain was also grown on them . We have old letters from the 1780’s describing it being done in a field called the Limetree . I was the first person to plough them .
Was it ye that first ploughed one of the fields in Coolnakisha when ye had that land rented? The field furthest from Roches had those ridges in it.
 
Was it ye that first ploughed one of the fields in Coolnakisha when ye had that land rented? The field furthest from Roches had those ridges in it.
The only Lea I ploughed in Coolnalisha was in the big field. Not the one with the sheep pen but the one behind it. I presume some of it is at the far side of the motorway.
 
Old Lazy beds . Potatoes were grown on them but grain was also grown on them . We have old letters from the 1780’s describing it being done in a field called the Limetree . I was the first person to plough them .
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Had a friend of mine in with his tine harrow and seeder today, oversowing clover into 2 paddocks. First time trying it. Will report on results in due course.
 

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Had a friend of mine in with his tine harrow and seeder today, oversowing clover into 2 paddocks. First time trying it. Will report on results in due course.
Can you get a close up of the ground to see how much he has opened it up. Was it just one pass he did? How much seed to acre was he putting out?
Sorry just curious as I have a tine Harrow and interesting to see how others do it. 👍
 
Can you get a close up of the ground to see how much he has opened it up. Was it just one pass he did? How much seed to acre was he putting out?
Sorry just curious as I have a tine Harrow and interesting to see how others do it. 👍
No, he did two passes, second pass perpendicular to the first pass. We were putting out 2.5kg per acre between the two passes.
 
Field 1
pH: 5.8
P: -2
K: 2+
Mg: 4
P205: 44Units/ac
K2O: 48Units/ac
Gran Lime: 252.9kg/ac

Field 2
pH: 5.4
P: -2
K: 2+
Mg: 4
P205: 44Units/ac
K2O: 48Units/ac
Gran Lime: 455.2kg/ac

Field 3
pH: 5.6
P: 1
K: 2+
Mg: 5
P205: 56Units/ac
K2O: 48Units/ac
Gran Lime: 354.1kg/ac

Field 4
pH: 5.6
P: 2-
K: 2+
Mg: 5
P205: 44Units/ac
K2O: 64Units/ac
Gran Lime: 354.1kg/ac


Will probably leave the lime until after the first cut, or possibly 2nd cut. Trying to cut earlier this year. Approx 3000G/ac slurry has been applied since samples were taken.

Assuming the slurry is giving 18-15-90 applied at 3000G/ac (6-5-30 per 1000Gallons) where does that leave me for fertiliser requirements?

From reading https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/animals/dairy/FertilisingGrassSilage.pdf I need 100-24-120 for index 2 soils. So they recommend 3 bags/ac of 27-2.5-5.0. This will provide 81-7.5-15 and including the slurry at 18-15-90, brings total to 99-22.5-105.

So, it looks like I'm now okay for K2O - so I just need to increase P by 44-15=30units/ac. So I need:
N: 100 - 18 = 82
P: 44 - 15 = 30
K: 48 - 90 = -42 (excess)

So, do I need a NP fertiliser (plus Sulphur) in ration of 82:30 or 2.5:1?



Thanks.
Silage analysis taken in March for the above fields showed the following:

Dry matter: 36.8%
Protein: 8.4%
D value: 58%
ME: 9.3MJ/kg
pH: 5.0
Ammonia: 5.4%
Sugars: 0.8%
Ash: 5.6%
NDF: 60.4%
ADF: 37.4%
Oil B: 4.0%

MPB: 22.8g/kg
MPN: 57.7g/kg
MPE: 81.4g/kg

VFA: 26.6g/kg
Lactic: 5.0g/kg
Intake: 85.2g/kg BW^0.75
Rumen Stability Value: 378.8
FiMPAL: 635.1meq/kd

Sown early may with 1.75 bags/ac 27 4 4. 3000gal/ac slurry roughly late March. Cut mid July in decent weather.

This year upped fert (25 5 5) to 2.25 bags/ac. Plan to cut in early/mid June. Can't put lime on lime on the ground until a bit later in year as ground could not be travelled.

In hoping that cutting earlier and increasing fertiliser will improve the protein content. Lime should improve uptake of fertiliser - but that will be in next year's silage. Not sure if you can tell from the sample if the grass is done and needs a reseed.

I know it's not a good result, but is there anything that stands out in the analysis - good or bad?
 
Silage analysis taken in March for the above fields showed the following:

Dry matter: 36.8%
Protein: 8.4%
D value: 58%
ME: 9.3MJ/kg
pH: 5.0
Ammonia: 5.4%
Sugars: 0.8%
Ash: 5.6%
NDF: 60.4%
ADF: 37.4%
Oil B: 4.0%

MPB: 22.8g/kg
MPN: 57.7g/kg
MPE: 81.4g/kg

VFA: 26.6g/kg
Lactic: 5.0g/kg
Intake: 85.2g/kg BW^0.75
Rumen Stability Value: 378.8
FiMPAL: 635.1meq/kd

Sown early may with 1.75 bags/ac 27 4 4. 3000gal/ac slurry roughly late March. Cut mid July in decent weather.

This year upped fert (25 5 5) to 2.25 bags/ac. Plan to cut in early/mid June. Can't put lime on lime on the ground until a bit later in year as ground could not be travelled.

In hoping that cutting earlier and increasing fertiliser will improve the protein content. Lime should improve uptake of fertiliser - but that will be in next year's silage. Not sure if you can tell from the sample if the grass is done and needs a reseed.

I know it's not a good result, but is there anything that stands out in the analysis - good or bad?
Have to be trying to cut it much earlier, it will have the greatest benefit to any other measure. If it’s very wet land, I might be best to target slurry for after cutting, as is slurry application holding back cutting date.

Feeding silage like above will cost you allot of money in grain or lack of performance in animals
 
Have to be trying to cut it much earlier, it will have the greatest benefit to any other measure. If it’s very wet land, I might be best to target slurry for after cutting, as is slurry application holding back cutting date.

Feeding silage like above will cost you allot of money in grain or lack of performance in animals
Cutting date is a mixture of a few things. Letting it grow for bulk, being that bit further north and traditionally the hay was cut over the 12th fortnight when everyone got off work and the whole place shut down, so this just kept going when started silage. Plenty around us cut at similar time.

Yes I agree about costs. Been telling the brother that, but hopefully we can start turning things around.

I think 25 5 5 at 2 25 bags/acre is just under 60 units acre, so we should be ready to cut end of May.
 
Rising dust as the tillage men on here would say
 

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Yes it's parish of ogonelloe, leased land. Nice scenery
Had various boats up the Scariff river and spent a lot of time in Mountshannon . The yachting crowd in Dromineer did not want to have anything to do with ditch crawlers. Our family originally hailed from near Portumna .
 
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