Feed ingredients and nutritive value

is modern day barley in the same league as barley from say 20 years ago, all the barley being bred now is for malting only and is low in protein where
as years ago feed barley was being developed in its own right
 
is modern day barley in the same league as barley from say 20 years ago, all the barley being bred now is for malting only and is low in protein where
as years ago feed barley was being developed in its own right
I haven't a clue but all I do know is some varieties are feed only and not used at all for malting. In my case I had planet barley this year and had a range of proteins from 8.6-11.5%, all the same treatments just different fields and soil types. @CORK may know more on this.
 
I haven't a clue but all I do know is some varieties are feed only and not used at all for malting. In my case I had planet barley this year and had a range of proteins from 8.6-11.5%, all the same treatments just different fields and soil types. @CORK may know more on this.

Barley today is generally better than years ago in terms of quality, especially true for 2 row barley winter & spring. Just look at the boldness and fatness of well grown grain - it's bulging with flour - (starch).
There's no way that four tonne/ac of spring barley can be achieved with anything other than a high yield of starch - high ability of a healthy crop to convert sunlight into an energy form we can use.
Modern fungicides etc give these varieties much more protection than years ago.

In terms of protein, modern varieties shouldn't be much different unless it's a distilling type variety (not generally used to grow feed barley). However, lower levels of soil fertility in modern day farming could in cases lower the level of grain protein (less residual N in the soil).

Wheat varieties probably vary more in terms of grain protein than barley varieties in my experience. The hard type wheats with smaller grain size (many of which are milling types bred for high protein) will generally have higher protein levels than the fat soft wheat types.
 
Feeding this for the last few years as a barley balance, this is 20% protein and also feeding our own home grown barley with it.

Fed a competitors 20% balance a few years ago and it was pure rubbish.
 

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The cousin got this load of stuff delivered out from the distillery in tullamore today. I think it's a product like brewers grains. It's supposed to be around 18% DM and around 22% protein. What's the best way of starting to feed this to finishing cattle?
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The cousin got this load of stuff delivered out from the distillery in tullamore today. I think it's a product like brewers grains. It's supposed to be around 18% DM and around 22% protein. What's the best way of starting to feed this to finishing cattle?
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It’s wet enough stuff so safe to feed, what else is he feeding to these animals?
 
It’s wet enough stuff so safe to feed, what else is he feeding to these animals?

He's feeding one bunch 5 kilos of 14% beef ration along with ad lib silage. The others that are near killing are on 12 kilos of the same ration along with the barley straw. His silage is running low and my old feeder is doing nothing so what rates could we start feeding safely at and drop out the silage?
 
I heard a.long time ago that Miller's send the best quality grain to pig and poultry farms as they notice drops in performance instantly.
Dairy rations next for similar reasons.
Cattle and sheep get what's left.
I nearly always buy a 3 way mix rather than a pre made ration
Distillers barley soya hulls or similar
 
The cousin got this load of stuff delivered out from the distillery in tullamore today. I think it's a product like brewers grains. It's supposed to be around 18% DM and around 22% protein. What's the best way of starting to feed this to finishing cattle?
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I got a couple of attic loads of brewers grains from the Smithwicks brewery in Kilkenny one winter the guts of 20 years ago. I thought it super stuff. If memory serves , I think £23 a ton . Fed it to weanlings and year and a halves , more as a silage stretcher.

At that time , you contacted the hauler , and if you were in with him , you got it. Then it change to a crowd took over the distribution of it , and a small lad like me was gone. KW Systems ?? Might be wrong on that .

Some more information here, Peter:

http://www.specialistnutrition.ie/products/brewers-grain

Seems to be safe enough to horse it into them.

Would brewers grains and the byproduct from distilling be similar ?
 
I got a couple of attic loads of brewers grains from the Smithwicks brewery in Kilkenny one winter the guts of 20 years ago. I thought it super stuff. If memory serves , I think £23 a ton . Fed it to weanlings and year and a halves , more as a silage stretcher.

At that time , you contacted the hauler , and if you were in with him , you got it. Then it change to a crowd took over the distribution of it , and a small lad like me was gone. KW Systems ?? Might be wrong on that .



Would brewers grains and the byproduct from distilling be similar ?
Same story here with by products. 90 odd miles from the nearest supply. Easy enough to get in summer when everyone's cattle are out. Winter however and they have their pick within 20 miles.

A group I'm with visited a farm that was getting vegetables and biscuits for next to nothing within 5 miles of the plants.
 
Same story here with by products. 90 odd miles from the nearest supply. Easy enough to get in summer when everyone's cattle are out. Winter however and they have their pick within 20 miles.

A group I'm with visited a farm that was getting vegetables and biscuits for next to nothing within 5 miles of the plants.

Kilkenny is 30 odd miles from me , so in between I suppose for haulage . They probably could get rid of it nearer.

The brewer was closed since in a rationalization by Diagio, so the source went , one way or another .
 
Same story here with by products. 90 odd miles from the nearest supply. Easy enough to get in summer when everyone's cattle are out. Winter however and they have their pick within 20 miles.

A group I'm with visited a farm that was getting vegetables and biscuits for next to nothing within 5 miles of the plants.
pit it when you can get it:wink:
 
I heard a.long time ago that Miller's send the best quality grain to pig and poultry farms as they notice drops in performance instantly.
Dairy rations next for similar reasons.
Cattle and sheep get what's left.
I nearly always buy a 3 way mix rather than a pre made ration
Distillers barley soya hulls or similar
That’s shite talk, if you have a store with 5000 tonnes in it how do you do that? I’ve plenty experience and that does not happen.
 
That’s shite talk, if you have a store with 5000 tonnes in it how do you do that? I’ve plenty experience and that does not happen.
You send the truck out to a farm that has 700 tonnes of good quality Lumos or Doubleshot particularly in a year like 2008 or 2012 . When the Dairy men start feeding they send in a Hitachi into a store that was filled the year before with Shite that was bought cheap on the world market. More Shite will hit the fan when the consumer realizes that the cows are being fed genetically modified corn because it’s €30 cheaper. Do not tie my arm behind my back and expect me to compete. If it was €30 dearer you would not be buying it . I have no issue with genetic modification or gene splicing as long as it is a level pitch .
Big organizations subcontract out the distribution of bye products because it is not the core business.
 
I'm well placed for by-products and straights from the Liverpool docks,I used to feed a lot of Brewers grains but it got wetter and wetter over the years so I gave up buying the water,I currently feed 60t a month of Trafford gold,it's 50% dm and feeds well,don't need to sheet it up as it goes back fairly quick.
 
Some more information here, Peter:

http://www.specialistnutrition.ie/products/brewers-grain

Seems to be safe enough to horse it into them.

I gave the fattening bunch 8 kilos yesterday through the feeder and half of that to the store bunch. They had it all cleared today anyway. They seem content enough on it.

I got a couple of attic loads of brewers grains from the Smithwicks brewery in Kilkenny one winter the guts of 20 years ago. I thought it super stuff. If memory serves , I think £23 a ton . Fed it to weanlings and year and a halves , more as a silage stretcher.

At that time , you contacted the hauler , and if you were in with him , you got it. Then it change to a crowd took over the distribution of it , and a small lad like me was gone. KW Systems ?? Might be wrong on that .



Would brewers grains and the byproduct from distilling be similar ?

I'm not sure exactly what their name is I think he bought it off KW forages. It all two year old cattle that he's feeding in that yard. He was feeding all the meal in five gallon drums but we spent yesterday yoking up the uncles old 7011 and that's working the feeder the finest. I left the moffet there to load it with and it's working well so far.
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I gave the fattening bunch 8 kilos yesterday through the feeder and half of that to the store bunch. They had it all cleared today anyway. They seem content enough on it.



I'm not sure exactly what their name is I think he bought it off KW forages. It all two year old cattle that he's feeding in that yard. He was feeding all the meal in five gallon drums but we spent yesterday yoking up the uncles old 7011 and that's working the feeder the finest. I left the moffet there to load it with and it's working well so far.
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That some weight on the Moffett.
Is that an 80 feeder ? Seems smaller than a 100. Has it the beet washer thingy in the bottom ?
 
That some weight on the Moffett.
Is that an 80 feeder ? Seems smaller than a 100. Has it the beet washer thingy in the bottom ?

It's an 80 alright. It's smaller and lower than the 100 that I have now. It's ideal as there's low roofs there and nothing bigger will get in. Theres a trap in her for washing beet but I never used it.
 
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